Subject: Is Empty Hand Defense the Same as Knife Defense?

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 Is Empty Hand Defense the Same as Knife Defense? 
The Fantasy...
The idea of training as if your opponent always has a knife is a popular martial arts concept but the problem lies in the techniques used in the first place.

If someone is armed with a knife and has murderous intent, almost no bare-handed sleight of hand movements will prevail, especially in a lone or gang sneak/assassination-style attack.

The way I learned to use a knife as a killing tool is not based on any stab/slash by numbers methodology. Right from the start the whole body is used and the knife is part of the body. Movement happens from almost any position without any set up. Using the 5 principles of balance, looseness, body unity, sensitivity and adaptive movement along with any hand weapon is an enhancement of the use of the weapon BUT the knife also has advantages that bare-hand fighting cannot ever match.

First of all, a knife needs nearly very little pressure to cut through flesh. A knife makes all parts of the human body vulnerable while hands and feet are far more limited in the amount and type of damage that can be applied in a fight. The sheer ferocity and chaotic nature of a murderous knife attack containing surprise and multiple stab and slash wounds from virtually any direction makes a sad joke of most hand vs. knife techniques.

With this knowledge we take the user of a knife to a high level of lethal ability. Based on thousands of Forensic Crime Scene reports and personal experience I found that the basic brutal methods that I first learned as a kid with my father and uncles were just plain REAL. The after-action reports and my direct work on homicide scenes as a blood stain expert where knives were used showed me that the basic, seemingly insane tactics from West Virginia bore out the truth of the fact that NO knife attack or fight is ever predictable.

Stylized "waving" and close contact hand vs. knife methods all fail when put to the test in our crazed knife fighter/assassin simulations.
So in answer to the question, "Is it better for combat to practice bare-handed techniques as if your partner is armed with a blade?" the answer is simply NO. You will not have an advantage against a bare-handed attack if all you practice is hand to knife fantasy techniques. If you attempt to strike with full power against a knife wielder you open your body including your attacking limb to damage which, in most cases, is catastrophic in nature.

One well-trained knifer can inflict incredible damage even to multiple unarmed opponents. The human body is just meat and bone (which is what a knife is designed to cut); blood flows easily, not to mention muscular action breaks down due to severed muscles and nerves.

Yes there are methods of fighting against a knife that are different that will tilt some of the fight in your favor but the Fantasy stuff in movies like "The Hunted" will get you killed. We prove this over and over again in seminars where the knife movement is based on irrational-knife-wielding-maniac training drills. Even using a knife against a knife-wielding maniac is not much of an advantage, if any. In most cases the maniac will get in just as much or more damage as the trained, stylized and methodical knife wielder. Try it for yourself. Try it in all sorts of places like stairways, elevators or inside vehicles.

In Guided Chaos and Guided Chaos Combatives training we drill for the 2 second fight. Here we explode with a barrage of strikes and kicks from all necessary directions assuming that the attackers are possibly armed. In most real life knife attacks the assailant does not show a blade if he intends to use it. There can be and often is more than one attacker as in robberies. Your defense must be exceptionally powerful and instantaneous. Your attack should be over in under 2 seconds. Move in such a way that you are unavailable but unavoidable.

THE REALITY...
In the more rare case where an assailant presents a knife and escape is impossible, your defense must be done so that you do not get close to the knife while dishing out kicks from standing or grounded positions (as in GC ground-fighting where the attacker becomes the receiver of a severe beating with your boots).

Unfortunately if you're attacked at close range without warning you may have to fight from a deficit position. You may be bleeding and one or more of your limbs as well as organs may be severely injured.
But to fantasize that you will easily just move your arms and hands in such a way that you will move along with the blade in some flowing manner against a presented blade is suicidal.

Why present your flowing arms to an edged weapon? Instead, if you can't escape, get some distance and get your feet into action while protecting your vitals with your arms and hands and move like a blur. Of course if any objects are handy use them to keep the knife at bay or for cover whenever possible. A chair is a good example of this. I actually used one in a knife fighting incident to break up two determined knife fighters within the confines of a kitchen.

Don't forget the blood factor. Blood on the floor is very slippery. I call this type of fight a Blood Dance for obvious reasons.
To think that you can just block and move in on a blade that is in high speed deadly motion is delusional to say the least.

Learn to kick like a combination jackhammer/machine gun while using your arms for protecting your throat, eyes, abdomen and chest. Practice blinding-fast kicking while maintaining balance on various indoor and outdoor terrain surfaces. Learn to use Modified Native American Ground-fighting against armed single and multiple attackers.

Nothing is foolproof. Just don't be foolish and think some movie magic or exotic or secret cool stuff will prevail against a blade. I usually visualize a knife fight like walking into a fan-blade of death just to keep some honesty in my training.
--GM Perkins
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 PART 2: KNIFE DEFENSE 

Thomas Edison supposedly said, "Ninety percent of genius is knowing what doesn't work."
 
Nowhere is that more true than in defending yourself, unarmed, against a knife attack.
 
If you practice something that is theoretically effective, against theoretical attacks intended (even subconsciously) to allow the theoretical defense to work, you may be badly surprised by the different dynamic of a real attack, right before you are gravely injured.

In the Guided Chaos Weapons Series DVD, "Knife Defense," John Perkins, Al
Ridenhour and their students go to great lengths to equip viewers with that first 90% of knowledge. They also offer valuable advice to help you begin to fill in the last 10%.
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 "You're Either IN the Fight or You're OUT!" 
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Man Assaults Army Captain in Albany NY

A perfect example of why one should Attack the Attacker like Brad Steiner would say.

If you are going to back away then run--don't stand and wait to see what the assailant is going to pull from his pocket. Train yourself to close the distance and keep him from pulling a gun or knife...or get out of there asap. Don't stand around even for a second with your hands at your sides. Move either IN or OUT.

Keep his hand from getting to his weapon if you are entering while delivering a slamming attack to his head/eyes etc.

Don't ever try to grapple him to the ground.

This bad guy was maybe bluffing by going to his pocket so he could get the soldier to stay still for him. Maybe he still did have a knife or gun and decided to just punch the soldier out because he could see he found a mark that would not fight quickly enough. Don't attack in such a manner that would allow the assailant to get to his weapon.

This is one of my favorite odd scenarios...the Bluff and Punch...as I call it. Usually a person goes for the pocket to scare someone into not attacking but this bluff keeps the victim still for a bum's rush or sucker punch style attack. Remember don't think the bluff is always just a bluff.
--GM Perkins


Note also that just prior to the attack, the Captain points at the man and delivers some parting words which may or may not have contributed to the attack. Remember what we advise in Attack Proof: "Avoid violence when possible because you never know who or what you're dealing with." By 'challenging no one' you remove moral ambiguity about whether to fight or not or "preserve your honor" or not. Walk away. However if you need to fight you unleash the dogs of war...because pausing (like the Captain did) could be fatal.
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